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What Cubans believe in
I just ended a two day visit in Cuba. It was my first time visiting the island and probably, until there is a change in government I will not go back. What follows is the story of a progressive Argentine/Spaniard who had a Michael Moorish view of Cuba until he actually visited the island. Now my view is that there´s nothing progressive about Cuba. That progressive in Cuba can only mean to get rid of the Castrismo and open up, not a la China, a country that is brutally capitalist now, but still managed by the Communist Party, but a la Hungary or most of Eastern Europe, evolving from Communism to a welfare state like democracy.


First the evidence:

Yes, I do know that 2 days of interviews is not a statistic. I also know that the people who I tried to look for “the average Cuban” may not be so average after all. But because this is not Martin Varsavsky the Professor at Instituto de Empresa, but Martin Varsavsky the blogger, I will allow myself the liberty to draw conclusions with limited data. In general terms, my conclusion is that Cuba now is an extremely repressive dictatorship who has duped its citizens into believing that the benefits that they derive out of Communist Party rule are somehow unique and they would not get them in other countries.

During my interviews, the first thing that surprised me is that I did not find anyone who would criticize the Communist Party. What I found is people who seemed absolutely brainwashed and would argue in favor of the regime no matter what they were asked for and more reasonable people who would defend the regime most of the time, but would be willing to recognize that there were improvements to be made. But what was shocking is that everyone who I interviewed believe in things that are just wrong. One example was the issue of Cuban Sovereignty. Invariable, everyone who I interviewed said that Cuba became an independent country in 1959. That Cuba was first a colony of Spain, until 1895, then a colony of the United States, until 1959, and then a free country after the revolution. Moreover, everyone I interviewed seem to believe that it is the stated intention of the United States to annex Cuba again and the role of the Communist Party to protect Cuban´s independence. Cubans do not seem to understand that what USA has wanted for close to 50 years now is that Cuba becomes a country like Mexico, Panama, Costa Rica, that what USA wants is to have a friendly regime in Cuba, that even when USA invades countries like Panama it does not do it to annex them and create another state named Panama in the way that say Alaska is a part of USA, even though it is completely disconnected to the rest of the States. Granted I can see why the Cubans after seeing what is happening in Iraq think that USA is a country that just likes to invade and stay in what they consider troubled states and it is probably true that if it had been easy for USA to invade Cuba they would have done it in the past. And, in general, I think that the use of power by the United States is frequently a force of instability with the rare positive intervention as in the case of the Balkans. Moreover, I think that USA should renounce to its ability to invade countries without permission or cooperation of other nations within the United Nations (as it was done with Afghanistan). But having said all this, I think that the overall view of Cubans that USA would want to annex Cuba as another Hawaii is just wrong. Also the view that Cuba was not a nation until the revolution is also wrong.

Another myth that seems to prevail in Cuba is that the welfare state is an invention of the Castro regime. All Cubans who I interviewed thought that in Spain, where I live, for example, if you did not have money and you got sick you would die. Cubans believe that it is only them who have universal health care. They don´t know that with the notable exception of the United States, a country that fails to properly address the needs of millions of its citizens, all other developed nations have universal health care including USA´s neighbor, Canada. Moreover, Cubans believe that pensions only exist in Cuba. Again, when I mentioned that both my native Argentina as Spain had a pension system they found this hard to believe. And when I mentioned to them that people thought that pensions in Argentina, which averaged 200 dollars were incredibly low, they were shocked since their pensions are a 10th of that. Same with education. Cubans seem to believe that free education is another invention of the Cuban revolution and they can´t believe that education all the way up to tertiary education is free in Spain or Argentina (again this is not the case in the States for tertiary education but it is the case in all other developed nations). So not only has the Castro regime made people believe that Cuba was not a sovereign nation until 1959, but that universal access to health, education and pensions is something that is only part of the Cuban systems and all other systems are unfair.

In terms of productivity I found Cuba to be extremely disappointing. Absolutely every product I consumed in Cuba was made somewhere else and was extremely expensive. Cuba has a uniquely corrupt system in which there are two currencies in circulation. One is the national currency, Peso Cubano, and the other is the convertible currency. In convertible currency Cubans earn the equivalent of 30 dollars per month, and even though they earn 24 times that in local currency as the exchange is 24 to 1, there is almost nothing you can buy with local currency. I walked around everywhere in Havana looking for something to buy in local currency and what I found were things as bread, tomatoes and very few edible products which looked awful. Everything else, clothes for example, were only available in convertible currency. And what was amazing was how expensive they were. Cubans pay for average products, such as socks, prices that are much higher than in nearby Florida. The most shocking was a pair of socks that I needed to buy. I was charged the equivalent of $9 for a pair of socks and that was its published price. This means that over 25% of the salary of a Cuban person could go for a pair of socks. And then the injustices in terms of compensation are endless.

In my interviews of taxi drivers I asked them what their monthly salary was and the answer was shocking. A taxi driver has to give everything he makes to the government and his salary is the equivalent of a ride to the airport. So a taxi driver who does 10 rides back and forth to the airport or 220 rides per month earns a salary equivalent to one ride and the money collected for 219 rides go to the government. Now the exploitation of taxi drivers is nothing new. In New York City, for example, they have an extremely unfair system, the medallion system in which somebody owns a medallion and the other person drives. While I don´t have the exact figures I imagine that the same formula would work something like this, that out of 220 rides to the airport the employed driver makes a compensation equal to the cost of 100 rides which is bad but capitalist exploitation pales in comparison to communist exploitation.
I have never visited this part of the forum and am very happy to meet your post here. Your personal experience and writing about it here is very important. Have you posted it to the other Cuban forum?
It is a pity, that no one has answered it up to now.

It is no wonder what Cubans believe as the decades- long- isolation, massive propaganda and brainwashing result in such beliefs. In certain cases even learned people have no idea about how other people live in other countries and how these counties deal with their citizens.

Let me share my experience with you.
A few months ago I found one of my Cuban friends on the Internet. (Unfortunately, I did not know those pieces of information then what I know now.) I was thinking about writing to him for a month or so, but in the end I sent him an email. He answered me immediately and we were extremely happy to hear about each other after 24- year -long separation and silence.

When he asked me in his first email whether our exchanging messages would bring me a problem or not I misunderstood him. I thought he referred to my marital status and I answered "no" as I have enough freedom in my marriage and I can make decisions about my friends and anyway, I am not ruled by a macho husband.

My friend asked me other questions that I found quite weird then such as whether I worked for the Ministry of Education or whether I sent my messages from my work or from home?

Now I understand his questions. And I am still very impressed that he was worrying about my safety and not about HIS.

To my greatest surprise he wrote about himself and his family just a few words so I have a little knowledge about his life.

We could send emails to each other 3 times altogether and then suddenly he stopped writing. There has been silence in the cyberspace between our computers since then.

So turning back to your post
I have watched lots of videos on Youtube and I was watching people and the buildings. Well, the buildings were in a bad state of repair but people were dressed as people in other countries. If a pair of socks is so expensive and their wages are so low how can Cubans overcome this problem? It is a mystery for me.

I like the surviving programme by Bear Grylls but I think Cubans are better at surviving. If I were asked to choose someone (as Gallofino asked us to try to do so) to survive with I would definitely choose a Cuban.

Your last paragraph is very interesting but not surprising and I agree with your conclusion.

Thank you for writing about your short but fruitful trip.
(Sep 22, 2010 11:05 AM)goluboyvagon Wrote: [ -> ]I have never visited this part of the forum and am very happy to meet your post here. Your personal experience and writing about it here is very important. Have you posted it to the other Cuban forum?
It is a pity, that no one has answered it up to now.

It is no wonder what Cubans believe as the decades- long- isolation, massive propaganda and brainwashing result in such beliefs. In certain cases even learned people have no idea about how other people live in other countries and how these counties deal with their citizens.

Let me share my experience with you.
A few months ago I found one of my Cuban friends on the Internet. (Unfortunately, I did not know those pieces of information then what I know now.) I was thinking about writing to him for a month or so, but in the end I sent him an email. He answered me immediately and we were extremely happy to hear about each other after 24- year -long separation and silence.

When he asked me in his first email whether our exchanging messages would bring me a problem or not I misunderstood him. I thought he referred to my marital status and I answered "no" as I have enough freedom in my marriage and I can make decisions about my friends and anyway, I am not ruled by a macho husband.

My friend asked me other questions that I found quite weird then such as whether I worked for the Ministry of Education or whether I sent my messages from my work or from home?

Now I understand his questions. And I am still very impressed that he was worrying about my safety and not about HIS.

To my greatest surprise he wrote about himself and his family just a few words so I have a little knowledge about his life.

We could send emails to each other 3 times altogether and then suddenly he stopped writing. There has been silence in the cyberspace between our computers since then.

So turning back to your post
I have watched lots of videos on Youtube and I was watching people and the buildings. Well, the buildings were in a bad state of repair but people were dressed as people in other countries. If a pair of socks is so expensive and their wages are so low how can Cubans overcome this problem? It is a mystery for me.

I like the surviving programme by Bear Grylls but I think Cubans are better at surviving. If I were asked to choose someone (as Gallofino asked us to try to do so) to survive with I would definitely choose a Cuban.

Your last paragraph is very interesting but not surprising and I agree with your conclusion.

Thank you for writing about your short but fruitful trip.
goluboyvagon, the poster, Peter, I believe he has been banned, can't remember why..he is Cuban American and used to be on now-defunct Cubamania. He did have an interesting point of view, and luckily we still have some very knowledgeable Cuban-Americans on the forum, especially Lillian and Mercy.

So don't expect a reply from Peter any time soon.
Good to see you back and contributing Peter. Interesting perspectives. I'll reserve comment until later when I have more time. Salud!
2 days = your arrival time and departure time? How many hours did you spend in the airport ? How stupid do you think the rest of the world is ?
That's a post from last March 27th. You saw that too did you Batt. Nobody banned Peter. He had a hissy fit and stamped off like a little girl. He outed himself as a multiple personality poster but blamed Lillian. It appears his stories were all fantasies inside of his head. He had me fooled with the boat lift fiction though. Instead of stocking grocery shelves at night... he should take up writing.
(Oct 26, 2010 10:02 PM)rainbow Wrote: [ -> ]That's a post from last March 27th. You saw that too did you Batt. Nobody banned Peter. He had a hissy fit and stamped off like a little girl. He outed himself as a multiple personality poster but blamed Lillian. It appears his stories were all fantasies inside of his head. He had me fooled with the boat lift fiction though. Instead of stocking grocery shelves at night... he should take up writing.
My mistake about Peter, I don't read this forum every day, like I used to. In my old age, I can't keep up with all the new names/characters.
No I missed the date on the posting but just the same two days is hardly enough time to do anything anywhere in the world must less understand anything Cuban. And on another note it would appear this posting of Peter's like most of his postings was a copy and paste from a blog somewhere out here on the internet. Who knows where it originated from but I highly suspect it is not original work of Peter given his history on these sites.
Well, looks like you had me fooled Peter. Or should I call you Martin Varsavsky?

http://english.martinvarsavsky.net/inter...ve-in.html

LOL!!!!!
There it is/was, thanks!

One of my pet peeves is if your going to copy and paste something give the hyper of where u found it so people can reference it themselves. Peter had a problem doing this most times.
It did look as though Peter had written that. Was that intentional? He should know better.

Good thing we have some sharp eyes around here.
What a surprise!!! and what a pity!!!

I have no idea what Peter's intention was with outing himself as a multiple-personality.
I thought gallofino knew him well. But even he was cheated.
And HE was a shining example of what wants to take over once Fidel and Company are removed from Cuba????? Holy s*&t.... the Cuban people are in more trouble than I thought.
" Register 5 to stockboy Peter.... cleanup in Aisle 3".
(Oct 29, 2010 05:13 PM)rainbow Wrote: [ -> ]And HE was a shining example of what wants to take over once Fidel and Company are removed from Cuba????? Holy s*&t.... the Cuban people are in more trouble than I thought.
" Register 5 to stockboy Peter.... cleanup in Aisle 3".

No rainbow..he was no shining example of who we who love and respect the Cuban people and democracy would want once the Castro nightmare is gone.

Most of us Cuban-Americans want a lasting authentic & intelligent leadership in Cuba which will be home grown, respectfull of democratic ideals & tolerant of dissident thoughts/ideas AND responsible to the citizens via free open elections.
That ain't going to happen Lillian unless somebody with a serious set of huevos steps up but as of right now.... there ain't nobody on the forseable horizon. Anybody who speaks out, either gets beat up or burned out by the Old Guard (CANF).
Here are a few examples up until 2000. I figure this is enough to get the idea across.


1972 Julio Iglesias, performing at a local nightclub, says he wouldn't mind
"singing in front of Cubans." Audience erupts in anger. Singer requires
police escort. Most radio stations drop Iglesias from playlists. One that
doesn't, Radio Alegre, receives bomb threats.

1974 Exile leader José Elias de la Torriente murdered in his Coral Gables
home after failing to carry out a planned invasion of Cuba.

1974 Bomb blast guts the office of Spanish-language magazine Replica.

1974 Several small Cuban businesses, citing threats, stop selling Replica.

1974 Three bombs explode near a Spanish-language radio station.

1974 Hector Diaz Limonta and Arturo Rodriguez Vives murdered in internecine
exile power struggles.

1975 Luciano Nieves murdered after advocating peaceful coexistence with Cuba.

1975 Another bomb damages Replica's office.

1976 Rolando Masferrer and Ramon Donestevez murdered in internecine exile
power struggles.

1976 Car bomb blows off legs of WQBA-AM news director Emilio Milian after he
publicly condemns exile violence.

1977 Juan José Peruyero murdered in internecine exile power struggles.

1979 Cuban film Memories of Underdevelopment interrupted by gunfire and
physical violence instigated by two exile groups.

1979 Bomb discovered at Padron Cigars, whose owner helped negotiate release
of 3600 Cuban political prisoners.

1979 Bomb explodes at Padron Cigars.

1980 Another bomb explodes at Padron Cigars.

1980 Powerful anti-personnel bomb discovered at American Airways Charter,
which arranges flights to Cuba.

1981 Bomb explodes at Mexican Consulate on Brickell Avenue in protest of
relations with Cuba.

1981 Replica's office again damaged by a bomb.

1982 Two outlets of Hispania Interamericana, which ships medicine to Cuba,
attacked by gunfire.

1982 Bomb explodes at Venezuelan Consulate in downtown Miami in protest of
relations with Cuba.

1982 Bomb discovered at Nicaraguan Consulate.

1982 Miami Mayor Maurice Ferre defends $10,000 grant to exile commando group
Alpha 66 by noting that the organization "has never been accused of terrorist
activities inside the United States."

1983 Another bomb discovered at Replica.

1983 Another bomb explodes at Padron Cigars.

1983 Bomb explodes at Paradise International, which arranges travel to Cuba.

1983 Bomb explodes at Little Havana office of Continental National Bank, one
of whose executives, Bernardo Benes, helped negotiate release of 3600 Cuban
political prisoners.

1983 Miami City Commissioner Demetrio Perez seeks to honor exile terrorist
Juan Felipe de la Cruz, accidentally killed while assembling a bomb. (Perez
is now a member of the Miami-Dade County Public School Board and owner of the
Lincoln-Martí private school where Elian Gonzalez is enrolled.)

1983 Gunfire shatters windows of three Little Havana businesses linked to
Cuba.

1986 South Florida Peace Coalition members physically attacked in downtown
Miami while demonstrating against Nicaraguan contra war.

1987 Bomb explodes at Cuba Envios, which ships packages to Cuba.

1987 Bomb explodes at Almacen El Español, which ships packages to Cuba.

1987 Bomb explodes at Cubanacan, which ships packages to Cuba.

1987 Car belonging to Bay of Pigs veteran is firebombed.

1987 Bomb explodes at Machi Viajes a Cuba, which arranges travel to Cuba.

1987 Bomb explodes outside Va Cuba, which ships packages to Cuba.

1988 Bomb explodes at Miami Cuba, which ships medical supplies to Cuba.

1988 Bomb threat against Iberia Airlines in protest of Spain's relations with
Cuba.

1988 Bomb explodes outside Cuban Museum of Art and Culture after auction of
paintings by Cuban artists.

1988 Bomb explodes outside home of Maria Cristina Herrera, organizer of a
conference on U.S.-Cuba relations.

1988 Bomb threat against WQBA-AM after commentator denounces Herrera bombing.

1988 Bomb threat at local office of Immigration and Naturalization Service in
protest of terrorist Orlando Bosch being jailed.

1988 Bomb explodes near home of Griselda Hidalgo, advocate of unrestricted
travel to Cuba.

1988 Bomb damages Bele Cuba Express, which ships packages to Cuba.

1989 Another bomb discovered at Almacen El Español, which ships packages to
Cuba.

1989 Two bombs explode at Marazul Charters, which arranges travel to Cuba.

1990 Another, more powerful, bomb explodes outside the Cuban Museum of Art
and Culture.

1991 Using crowbars and hammers, exile crowd rips out and urinates on Calle
Ocho "Walk of Fame" star of Mexican actress Veronica Castro, who had visited
Cuba.

1992 Union Radio employee beaten and station vandalized by exiles looking for
Francisco Aruca, who advocates an end to U.S. embargo.

1992 Cuban American National Foundation mounts campaign against the Miami
Herald, whose executives then receive death threats and whose newsracks are
defaced and smeared with feces.

1992 Americas Watch releases report stating that hard-line Miami exiles have
created an environment in which "moderation can be a dangerous position."

1993 Inflamed by Radio Mambí commentator Armando Perez-Roura, Cuban exiles
physically assault demonstrators lawfully protesting against U.S. embargo.
Two police officers injured, sixteen arrests made. Miami City Commissioner
Miriam Alonso then seeks to silence anti-embargo demonstrators: "We have to
look at the legalities of whether the City of Miami can prevent them from
expressing themselves."

1994 Human Rights Watch/Americas Group issues report stating that Miami
exiles do not tolerate dissident opinions, that Spanish-language radio
promotes aggression, and that local government leaders refuse to denounce
acts of intimidation.

1994 Two firebombs explode at Replica magazine's office.

1994 Bomb threat to law office of Magda Montiel Davis following her
videotaped exchange with Fidel Castro.

1996 Music promoter receives threatening calls, cancels local appearance of
Cuba's La Orquesta Aragon.

1996 Patrons attending concert by Cuban jazz pianist Gonzalo Rubalcaba
physically assaulted by 200 exile protesters. Transportation for exiles
arranged by Dade County Commissioner Javier Souto.

1996 Firebomb explodes at Little Havana's Centro Vasco restaurant preceding
concert by Cuban singer Rosita Fornes.

1996 Firebomb explodes at Marazul Charters, which arranges travel to Cuba.

1996 Arson committed at Tu Familia Shipping, which ships packages to Cuba.

1997 Bomb threats, death threats received by radio station WRTO-FM following
its short-lived decision to include in its playlist songs by Cuban musicians.

1998 Bomb threat empties concert hall at MIDEM music conference during
performance by 91-year-old Cuban musician Compay Segundo.

1998 Bomb threat received by Amnesia nightclub in Miami Beach preceding
performance by Cuban musician Orlando "Maraca" Valle.

1998 Firebomb explodes at Amnesia nightclub preceding performance by Cuban
singer Manolín.

1999 Violent protest at Miami Arena performance of Cuban band Los Van Van
leaves one person injured, eleven arrested.

1999 Bomb threat received by Seville Hotel in Miami Beach preceding
performance by Cuban singer Rosita Fornes. Hotel cancels concert.

January 26, 2000 Outside Miami Beach home of Sister Jeanne O'Laughlin,
protester displays sign reading, "Stop the deaths at sea. Repeal the Cuban
Adjustment Act," then is physically assaulted by nearby exile crowd before
police come to rescue.

April 11, 2000 Outside home of Elian Gonzalez's Miami relatives, radio talk
show host Scot Piasant of Portland, Oregon, displays T-shirt reading, "Send
the boy home" and "A father's rights," then is physically assaulted by nearby
exile crowd before police come to rescue.
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