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Puerto Rico's Cubans long to go home

By MICHAEL MELIA, Associated Press Writer Fri Jun 29, 3:21 AM ET

SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico - Exiled from Cuba after quitting Fidel Castro's Cabinet, Manolo Ray moved to Puerto Rico, led a resistance movement against Castro in the early 1960s and gradually settled into a career running an international engineering company.
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As his one-time mentor loosens his grip on power, Ray — Castro's first public works minister — is hoping for another chance to help his native island.

"It's my homeland, and it has missed out on 50 years of progress," said the white-haired Ray, 83, who hopes to live to see the day when he can return and "help every way I can."

There are 20,000 Cuban immigrants in Puerto Rico, and many long to help their native land.

Puerto Rico's Cubans number far fewer — and are less hostile to Castro — than Miami's famously outspoken exile community, some 650,000-strong. Some say life on the U.S. island territory, with its similar climate and culture, has helped ease the bitterness of exile.

"Politics isn't the same obsession here that it is up there," 56-year-old emigre Manolo Mendez said during a break from a squash game at the Casa Cuba social club.

Described by 19th-century Puerto Rican poet Lola Rodriguez de Tio as "two wings of the same bird," Cuba and Puerto Rico were both seized by the United States in 1898 in the Spanish-American War. But their paths diverged — one becoming a communist state, the other a U.S. territory.

Still, they are both Caribbean islands with a shared language. Their cultures are so intertwined that both claim credit for salsa music, a blend of European and African rhythms. Their flags are almost identical, except Puerto Rico's has red stripes and Cuba's has blue.

At the beachfront Casa Cuba, the clack of dominoes and Cuban accents can be heard as migrants, many in traditional guayabera shirts, gather to gossip beneath portraits of tiara-wearing beauty queens.

Some of the Cubans who fled Castro's revolution brought investment, including members of the Bacardi family whose rum came to be promoted as a Puerto Rican product. Others found success in construction and other industries, and want to apply their experience in their homeland.

Puerto Rico's Senate in March approved a measure deputizing Cubans to channel public and private aid to Cuba in the event of a democratic transition. Cuban migrants could provide capital and professional expertise to universities, businesses and other sectors accustomed to operating in a controlled economy.

The proposal, developed in meetings with exile groups, also aims to seek opportunities for Puerto Rico if Cuba opens to U.S. investment.

"We should prepare ourselves not only to help where we can, but also to participate in what we can," said Orlando Parga, the Senate vice president who proposed the measure.

The legislation, which is expected to pass in the House and be signed by Gov. Anibal Acevedo Vila, also seeks to gauge how a more open Cuba could affect Puerto Rico's economy by competing for U.S. tourists.

But even when Castro dies, there is no guarantee of abrupt change. Havana's government has deviated little from its course since the 80-year-old president temporarily handed power to his brother Raul last July after intestinal surgery.

"We can all make plans but nobody knows exactly what's going to happen," said Mayra Montero, a San Juan-based author who chronicled the rollicking 1950s Havana of her childhood in her recent novel, "Dancing to Almendra."

Ray, who helped build the Havana Hilton and spent nearly a year in Castro's Cabinet, said from his office in colonial Old San Juan that the emigres, when they return, must be careful to avoid being seen as carpetbaggers out to make a buck — and should work to improve life on the island.

"Along with development, you need to keep the poor engaged and participating," Ray said. "Without that, we won't accomplish anything."
20,000 vs. 650,000? Of course Miami is going to be heard more than the exiles in Puerto Rico.

Back in the day, comparing a Cuban to a Puerto Rican was an insult. To the Cubans, Puerto Ricans were like the Pollacks to the Americans. Now, Cubans will go anywhere and think it's great as long as they are out of Cuba.

I don't know why that was the way it was, because I really like Puerto Rico, the people, and their food. We go there at least once a year. Arnaldo likes to go there for the Rooster Fights in the winter time which are legal.

When my sister married her first husband, a Puerto Rican, my mother and father had a fit because he wasn't Cuban.

Bogey

Mercy Wrote:To the Cubans, Puerto Ricans were like the Pollacks to the Americans. Now, Cubans will go anywhere and think it's great as long as they are out of Cuba.

I'm kind of curious which Cubans had these ideas about the Puerto Ricans. If it were the educated and intelligent classes or the basic white trash, or in this case, "Cuban trash".

because it's so amusing that in the US, it's by far the least intelligent and the least able to call any pot or kettle black that "think" like this.

the idea of Billy Joe Jim Bob or his urban/rural white trash inbred cousin considering themselves superior to anyone baffles me to this very day :action_smiley_055:

what's even more fascinating is that when the Polack peasants and or rednecks, ( wiesniaki, gorale, Mariany, Wasylki) come here to the US, they might stay rednecks till their deaths, but their children and most certainly grandchildren tend to become college educated professionals, while Billy Joe Jim Bob's sons and grandsons, like Ricky Bobby still inbreed, wear Caterpillar baseball hats, use two or three first names aand drink beer in their trailer parks every day to this day (and call their bosses (if they ever move out of redneckville - "those dumb Polacks")

in fact these people are so Fkg dumb they don't even realize that their "slur" sounds almost identical to the way a Pole would identify himself in Polish (polak) - take away the American long vowels and pronounce it phonetically like you would Spanish).
Wow Bogey. You seem to know lots about "white trash" people. Thanks for the information.

If you ever listen to old Cuban jokes, they always started, "There was a Cuban, Un Russo y un Boriqua".

These are all before your time. There was a Cuba before Fidel dear.

Bogey

Mercy Wrote:Wow Bogey. You seem to know lots about "white trash" people. Thanks for the information.

If you ever listen to old Cuban jokes, they always started, "There was a Cuban, Un Russo y un Boriqua".

These are all before your time. There was a Cuba before Fidel dear.

there wasn't a Bogey before Fidel's Cuba Smile

aha so it's a neighborly thing. I suspect you'll hear similar jokes with some other neighboring countries.

What's interesting is that culturally speaking, Puerto Rico might be as close to Cuba as any other place comes in Latin America.

but then, Venezuelans and Colombians don't care for each other either.
That's your problem with Cuba Bogey. You only know the Cuba Fidel created, not the REAL Cuba.

Bogey

Mercy Wrote:That's your problem with Cuba Bogey. You only know the Cuba Fidel created, not the REAL Cuba.

Dear mercedes, neither do you. You're not that much older than I am.

your "real Cuba" is what your parents might have told you
or Diciembre's website.

I prefer to gather my impressions FIRST HAND. Old people and exilios (from any country) , and particularly old exilios are given to romanticizing the past.
I have pictures. You don't. :action_smiley_055:
There were also a lot of "The stupid Spaniard" jokes too because I know a lot of old Cubans who told me so - in Cuba before Fidel - also in Puerto Rico and Colombia - probably other places as well.

Puerto Ricans and many other Latins have a stereotype of Cubans (in the U.S.) of being know-it-alls, thinking they are better than everybody else), and being stuck up. "The Cuban Attitude" is pretty well documented. It is pretty "known."

In my family, I have seen Cubans be really rude to my aunt in Miami at a job - totally ostracize her, because she was Puerto Rican. Then, the Puerto Ricans in Puerto Rico were totally rude and nasty to her husband because he was Cuban - saying things that made him really feel bad.

OTOH, it is always situational. I guarantee you in a classroom full of Mexicans , if there are only 1 or so  Cubans and 1 or so  Puerto Ricans, they will gravitate to each other and become friends more readily than they will with the Mexicans, because they are MUCH more similar to each other than they are to Mexicans and Salvadoreans.  And they will share stories of how they can't stand Mexican music and dance, etc.

Diosa
I know lots of Spaniard jokes too. They usually deal with Gallegos. They are known for being cheap, not too bright and smelly feet.

Cubans are know it all's, but I hear Argentinians are worse.

I happen to love Puerto Ricans.

Bogey

Mercy Wrote:I know lots of Spaniard jokes too. They usually deal with Gallegos. They are known for being cheap, not too bright and smelly feet.

Cubans are know it all's, but I hear Argentinians are worse.

I happen to love Puerto Ricans.

that's because Argentines don't consider themselves latino, or Latin Americans, they consider themselves Europeans.

And Cubans to them would be "black", since they consider the rest of the continent to be "black". Action_smiley_060
(and if you're on a Caribbean island, you're even more black LOL

of course, they are universally reviled and despised in all Latin American countries, (save theirs, and maybe Uruguay and Paraguay)

even my Cubana friend who works in the hospitality industry in Cuba and sees all sorts of extranjeros agrees with me that Argentines are "insoportables".
Well, I sure am glad the Argentinos in Miami know who rules down here. Action_smiley_035

Bogey

Mercy Wrote:Well, I sure am glad the Argentinos in Miami know who rules down here. Action_smiley_035

before their economic crisis when they were enjoying the benefits of having a fake currency tied in to the US dollar, Miami was merely a weekend shopping getaway for any Argentine with any dough.
Well, time sure has changed for them. They are everywhere in the Kendall Area.

For me, that's good. They open up Meat Markets and buy real estate. I just love their cuts of meat and food.

I guess they must be all confused with the massive amount of white Cubans in Miami.
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