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Bogey

these fuckers are going to destroy the island.

Preparing for a Cuban vacation after Castro
Peter Greenberg on why a Havana holiday may no longer be off limits

Quietly, deliberately, and quickly, the travel industry is preparing for Cuba after Fidel Castro.

Major U.S. cruise lines won’t publicly admit this, but each has now charted at least seven, and perhaps eight viable Cuban harbors. So it stands to reason that the cruise ships will be first in when the travel rules are changed.

And U.S. hotel companies — through their foreign subsidiaries — already have been "prospecting," doing handshake deals on properties throughout Cuba, and signing quiet conditional deals to kick in the minute things change and they are allowed to do business.

But there are plenty of Americans already there. Despite U.S. administration efforts to the contrary, on any given day in Cuba, there are as many as 2,000 American tourists. No, these aren't the folks who are Cuban Americans visiting friends and relatives. And they're not officially licensed travelers on humanitarian missions. They are American tourists who fly in from any of five secondary countries: Bahamas, Jamaica, Canada, Mexico or the Cayman Islands. All are eager to experience Cuba before Fidel checks out.
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How are they doing this? After all, aren’t U.S. citizens banned from travel to Cuba?

First, some history. There’s a law, still on the books called the Trading with the Enemies Act. It’s been around since 1963. And for more than 43 years, it’s officially banned American tourists from Cuba. Or has it? There are those who would argue that the legislation was specifically aimed at U.S. firms trying to do business in Cuba. Indeed, if you read the law it doesn’t specifically bar American tourists from going to Cuba, but it does ban Americans from spending U.S. dollars there.

So what about those 2,000 American tourists in Havana? Are they in violation of the law? Certainly they are in violation of the spirit of the law. What they’ve done is book all-inclusive travel through those five other countries. They’ve paid local tour operators there in U.S. dollars to cover their airfare, hotels, transfers, taxes, tips, meals. So, officially, these American tourists prepaid their trips in another country, so they are not spending U.S. dollars in Cuba. In addition, Cuban authorities do not stamp U.S. passports. Officially, you visited that secondary country and never left that country, when, in fact, you transited to Cuba.

And, since 1963, how many have been fined or arrested for doing this? It’s actually tough to find any. Why? Some would argue that for the American government, which is surely aware of this long standing practice, to crack down on U.S. tourists, it would also have to acknowledge how many there are. (It’s as if the U.S. government is Claude Rains' character, Captain Renault, in the legendary movie “Casablanca,” who was “shocked” to find out there’s gambling in Rick’s casino, before he collected his winnings from the night before.)

So American tourism in Cuba goes on, despite even more tightened travel restrictions imposed by the Bush administration in 2004. In fact, American tourists are not only staying in Cuban hotels, many are even sailing their pleasure boats into Havana and staying in the Hemingway marina.

I am not endorsing travel to Cuba for Americans; I'm simply reporting that it is being done. One note of caution: Should you buy anything in Cuba that would be evidence that you actually were that country. So you would be dangerously flirting with a stiff fine, at the very least. By the way, U.S. credit cards are not accepted in Cuba.

However, times are changing. This past march, Congressmen Charles Rangel (D-N.Y.) and Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.), cosponsored HR 654, a bill calling for an end to restrictions on Americans traveling to Cuba. The bill would also allow all U.S. companies to compete in booking trips to the island. This may mark the first time such a bill gets strong bipartisan support.

With the Cuban leader's health fading, Flake noted that now is an appropriate time for a new approach to Cuban-American relations. “For nearly 50 years our current Cuba policy has done little to bring democracy to Cuba,” said Flake, in a statement. “Far from hastening democratic reforms, our current policy has given Fidel Castro a convenient scapegoat for his own regime’s failures. With the Cuban government taking new shape, we shouldn’t give the new leader the same excuses we’ve given the old one.”

The bill reads: “The president shall not regulate or prohibit, directly or indirectly, travel to or from Cuba by United States citizens or legal residents, or any of the transactions incident to such traveling.” In other words, the travel ban would disappear.

Of course, all of this is having a big ripple effect throughout the rest of the Caribbean. For the first time in nearly 44 years, Cuba may be no longer officially off-limits. And tourism officials from just about every country in the region are worried — as they should be — that the minute Castro goes, their tourism numbers could drop as much as 20 to 25 percent.

Stay tuned….
Bogey Wrote:these fuckers are going to destroy the island.

Those bad mutherfuckers from the states, with their filthy lucre, not like us canucks, who go there with pure hearts and pure minds. Why can;t they just leave cuba where it has been for 50 years, so that we foreigners can enjoy their quaint ways.

Bogey

Mountain Man Wrote:
Bogey Wrote:these fuckers are going to destroy the island.

Those bad mutherfuckers from the states, with their filthy lucre, not like us canucks, who go there with pure hearts and pure minds. Why can;t they just leave cuba where it has been for 50 years, so that we foreigners can enjoy their quaint ways.

I'm not suggesting it stays the way it is, and I'm certainly completely opposed to tourist/local isolation and segregation.

but they're going to Fkg ruin the unique spirit/culture that always has been Cuba and will turn it into the touristy parts of Puerto Rico, or other various "harbors" in the Caribbean.

Americans tend to ruin destinations far faster than Canucks. Look for price inflation of at least 25%.

That will be very very sad. Perhaps better than the current state for Cubans, but overall, sad nonetheless.

thankfully there are still lots of places in Latin America where the gringo will be either too scared or it will not be "comfortable" enough for him/them to go.

Unfortunately, Cuba has no hope of remaining such a place and that's a shame. Maybe in some isolated campos in the Escambray or something.
I do agree that the nature of glabalization and world culture tends to make all places equally bland and boring, a shame really.
Mountain Man Wrote:I do agree that the nature of glabalization and world culture tends to make all places equally bland and boring, a shame really.

True.

They'll open a  Walmart and an Olive Garden and a Kentucky Fried and a bunch of American style discos

Ever been to Acapulco?

Dont' bother. Just go to a beach-y touristy spot in the U.S. It's the same

Sigh
Bogey Wrote:these fuckers are going to destroy the island.

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Look for price inflation of at least 25%.
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Don't worry Bogey....you still got Haiti.

:poo:

Bogey

Pepin Gatiesa Wrote:
Bogey Wrote:these fuckers are going to destroy the island.

Look for price inflation of at least 25%.
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Don't worry Bogey....you still got Haiti.

:poo:
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spoken like a true American "bidnessman", ready to provide "services" to the throngs of overpaying idiots.

you won't be able to ripoff your own Cuban and Cuban American brethren, but you're already rubbing your hands in glee at the thought of Joe and Wendy from Iowa.

come to think of it, you'll be JUST LIKE Fidel! Tongue

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You are frigging crazy if you think we, the Cuban/Americans, are going to let the Americans into Cuba. The Americans are going to have to Cubanize themselves, not vise versa.

We Cuban Americans, along with those in Cuba who want a better and prosperous Cuba, will work together to make that happen. After all, what the Fk has America done for the Cubans in Miami that has been good policy? The Embargo? What a joke.

Sorry Papito. No stinking gringo fidelistas allowed. Cheeky_smiley_022
I've got paperwork in for a "Home-Depot" in Havana. I'm also negotiating right now with Felipe el Insult deleted for a "Six Flags" water park in Miramar.

Bogey don't worry. I don't forget my frens. I'll make you head of the Lumber Department. I've already told Gordon he can be the guy who turns on the water at Six Flags.

Bogey

Mercy Wrote:You are frigging crazy if you think we, the Cuban/Americans, are going to let the Americans into Cuba. The Americans are going to have to Cubanize themselves, not vise versa.

We Cuban Americans, along with those in Cuba who want a better and prosperous Cuba, will work together to make that happen. After all, what the Fk has America done for the Cubans in Miami that has been good policy? The Embargo? What a joke.

Sorry Papito. No stinking gringo fidelistas allowed. Cheeky_smiley_022

you are frigging crazy if you think you will have any control over the hordes of wide eyed Joes and Wendys who will pour into Cuba once they "can" go there, and it's "sanctioned" by their big brother govt.

I predict it will be the cubans doing the americanizing. After all,they're crazy about all things American already.
"We Cuban Americans, along with those in Cuba who want a better and prosperous Cuba, will work together to make that happen."

Cut back on the weed a little girl. The Cubans I know in Cuba want you to keep sending money BUT "DON'T COME BACK!" They are terrified of the American economic Tsunami against which they don't stand a chance.
Yes, it will be a sad day for Cuba when the travel restriction is lifted. If the poor guajiros think things are expensive now, just wait. That 25% sounds about right to start with and it will go up from there.
rainbow Wrote:"We Cuban Americans, along with those in Cuba who want a better and prosperous Cuba, will work together to make that happen."

Cut back on the weed a little girl.  The Cubans I know in Cuba want you to keep sending money BUT "DON'T COME BACK!"  They are terrified of the American economic Tsunami against which they don't stand a chance.

True Rainbow, very true.

Regards,

Bob.
Rainbow, are you trying to say Cubans in Cuba are really "descarados" who are willing to take our money, while pretending to like us when we are there?

You should see how many people love me when I'm there. Cheeky_smiley_013

Cubans want a change. They want economic prosperity. After all, isn't that why they are throwing themselves on rafts and speed boats to get here to Miami?

It couldn't possibly be for all that "freedom" crap everyone keeps talking about.
Bogey Wrote:
Mercy Wrote:You are frigging crazy if you think we, the Cuban/Americans, are going to let the Americans into Cuba.  The Americans are going to have to Cubanize themselves, not vise versa.  

We Cuban Americans, along with those in Cuba who want a better and prosperous Cuba, will work together to make that happen.  After all, what the Fk has America done for the Cubans in Miami that has been good policy?   The Embargo?  What a joke.

Sorry Papito.  No stinking gringo fidelistas allowed.  Cheeky_smiley_022

you are frigging crazy if you think you will have any control over the hordes of wide eyed Joes and Wendys who will pour into Cuba once they "can" go there, and it's "sanctioned" by their big brother govt.

I predict it will be the cubans doing the americanizing. After all,they're crazy about all things American already.

Cuban Americans who haven't stepped foot on the island since they got here with their parents are going to be the first "wide eyed Wendys & Joes". Those will go quicker than Fred and Ethel from Topeka Kansas.

I have hordes of friends in this capacity who are just itching to get their money in there. There are lots of powerful Cubanitos here in Miami. You have NO idea.
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