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Key differences between conservatives and liberals.

Back when President George Bush had the opportunity to appoint two justices to the Supreme Court, conservatives and liberals both got to spout off about the qualities they felt were important in a Supreme Court justice. By their own words, conservatives and liberals revealed themselves. I do believe the words you use say a lot about who you are and, in this case, your party and your party's ideals.

Conservatives consistently said the wanted a justice whose primary interest was justice. Time and again conservatives said that justices should be merely umpires enforcing the rules set down by the law.

Liberals, even more consistently, cited fairness as the most important value a justice should hold. Fairness and justice are opposites. Fairness is based on conscience and is used to enforce equality, another important value of liberals (liberals use the term social justice often but social justice means fairness and equality). Justice is based on the truth and is used to insure liberty. The problem with fairness? It is completely subjective. Justice, on the other hand, is completely objective; the law is truth and justices should simply make sure the laws are applied justly.

Liberal judges will frequently disregard the law to give advantages to the underprivileged and to harm those who have advantages. Seeing that a poor man man suffer because of a ruling, a judge may simply alter the law to apply his notion of fairness, thus attempting to make things equal. The justice system is damaged as a result.

Justice and fairness can, and often do, coincide. But just as often, they have nothing to do with one another. Understanding the key differences between liberals and conservatives will help you decide whom to vote for in 2008. Ask yourself which qualities are more important to you: liberty and justice or fairness and equality? And then vote accordingly.
Justice and liberty for me.

Even though I am a staunch U.S. supporter I have been seeing some erosion of late of some basic ideals we as Americans hold sacred.

Personal example:

After a mission on a Friday night, was driving home for a week off with the bike in tow around midnight. When I reached Marathon, there was a big sign stating D.U.I. checkpoint ahead. I pulled over along with everyone else and waited in line. Once an officer came to me she asked to see my License/registration/insurance and registration on the bike trailer. Once she finished checking that, she asked me what I was doing in the Keys at midnight.

That happened a few months ago but I have not forgotten about it. First of all if it is a DUI checkpoint why are they asking for paperwork? And most of all, who the hells business is it why I am in the Keys?

Seems to me they were just on a fishing expedition. The next day, I joined the ACLU.


AK
Naaaw AK, wrong approach. This is when you write your congressman and local politicians a letter explaining what happened so they get the message and change the local approach to dealing with law abiding citizens.

The fact is they were on a fishing expedition. They were fishing for drunks and one way of doing so is by having a conversation with someone. There are other ways of doing this without tightroping on our civil rights. I have often told cops that unless they had a probable cause I would like to be left alone. They don't always listen but they can often see I am not kidding and that I have not done anything to warrant special treatment.
I got the biggest speeding ticket of my life about a year ago. I was driving up an access road in my T-Bird with the peddal at the floor.
This cop pulled me over but just sat in his car for what seemed a long time. I got irritated ...

So he comes up to the window and says "do you have any idea why I pulled you over?"...

I responded, " I was hoping you had some idea why you pulled me over ".

Anyhow, the cop got pissed off, we argued and I ended up with a very large ticket, exessive speed etc.

In looking back, it was totally worth it Smile
Canadaianbird Wrote:In looking back, it was totally worth it Smile

For you ....or him?


AK
I have been stopped and asked to have my car searched and despite the fact that I don't have anything illegal in my vehicle I completely denied them access to my car. They impounded my car because it had a rock chip on the windshield and was "dangerous" to drive. I let them impound it and took a cab home. I later went to court and won against the A-holes and I proceeded to laugh in their face. In the US anyway, it takes someone with a very small ego to become a cop. They want to be stroked every day and have people kneel before them...f'k that, I'll see them in court. One year I received 13 traffic tickets and I beat all but one because it was 4 hours away and I could not make the court date. I am much more civilized now, but I still manage 1-2 a year.
Canadaianbird Wrote:I got the biggest speeding ticket of my life about a year ago. I was driving up an access road in my T-Bird with the peddal at the floor.
This cop pulled me over but just sat in his car for what seemed a long time. I got irritated ...

So he comes up to the window and says "do you have any idea why I pulled you over?"...

I responded, " I was hoping you had some idea why you pulled me over ".

Anyhow, the cop got pissed off, we argued and I ended up with a very large ticket, exessive speed etc.

In looking back, it was totally worth it Smile

See what happens when you can't cite the Fifth Amendment (being in Canada). I would like to believe that a US cop would be less snippy if you asked, "Are you asking for self-incrimination?"

The only thing that bugs me about that approach is that it's a tip-off you'll contest the ticket, making the cop more careful. For example I was once written for failure to obey a traffic device when I disobeyed a cop directing traffic. That was the wrong ordinance. I was found not guilty at trial.
angelking Wrote:
Canadaianbird Wrote:In looking back, it was totally worth it Smile

For you ....or him?


AK

For Me Smile I still see that guy around town and it makes me snicker.

I have said before, If I where American, I would go to Cuba, come home and pay the fine.
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