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Scientists in shock after 'breaking speed of light'
FRANK JORDANS and SETH BORENSTEIN
GENEVA— The Associated Press
Published Thursday, Sep. 22, 2011 4:08PM EDT
Last updated Thursday, Sep. 22, 2011 4:09PM EDT

A fundamental pillar of physics – that nothing can go faster than the speed of light – appears to be smashed by an oddball subatomic particle that has apparently made a giant end run around Albert Einstein’s theories.

Scientists at the world’s largest physics lab said Thursday they have clocked neutrinos travelling faster than light. That’s something that according to Einstein’s 1905 special theory of relativity – the famous E (equals) mc2 equation – just doesn’t happen.
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“The feeling that most people have is this can’t be right, this can’t be real,” said James Gillies, a spokesman for the European Organization for Nuclear Research, or CERN, outside the Swiss city of Geneva.

Mr. Gillies told The Associated Press that the readings have so astounded researchers that they are asking others to independently verify the measurements before claiming an actual discovery.

“They are inviting the broader physics community to look at what they’ve done and really scrutinize it in great detail, and ideally for someone elsewhere in the world to repeat the measurements,” he said Thursday.

Scientists at the competing Fermilab in Chicago have promised to start such work immediately.

“It’s a shock,” said Fermilab head theoretician Stephen Parke, who was not part of the research in Geneva. “It’s going to cause us problems, no doubt about that – if it’s true.”

The Chicago team had similar faster-than-light results in 2007, but those came with a giant margin of error that undercut its scientific significance.

Outside scientists expressed skepticism at CERN’s claim that the neutrinos – one of the strangest well-known particles in physics – were observed smashing past the cosmic speed barrier of 186,282 miles per second (299,792 kilometres per second).

University of Maryland physics department chairman Drew Baden called it “a flying carpet,” something that was too fantastic to be believable.

CERN says a neutrino beam fired from a particle accelerator near Geneva to a lab 454 miles (730 kilometres) away in Italy travelled 60 nanoseconds faster than the speed of light. Scientists calculated the margin of error at just 10 nanoseconds, making the difference statistically significant. But given the enormous implications of the find, they still spent months checking and rechecking their results to make sure there was no flaws in the experiment.

“We have not found any instrumental effect that could explain the result of the measurement,” said Antonio Ereditato, a physicist at the University of Bern, Switzerland, who was involved in the experiment known as OPERA.

The CERN researchers are now looking to the United States and Japan to confirm the results.

A similar neutrino experiment at Fermilab near Chicago would be capable of running the tests, said Stavros Katsanevas, the deputy director of France’s National Institute for Nuclear and Particle Physics Research. The institute collaborated with Italy’s Gran Sasso National Laboratory for the experiment at CERN.

Mr. Katsanevas said help could also come from the T2K experiment in Japan, though that is currently on hold after the country’s devastating March 11 earthquake and tsunami.

Scientists agree if the results are confirmed, that it would force a fundamental rethink of the laws of nature.

Einstein’s special relativity theory that says energy equals mass times the speed of light squared underlies “pretty much everything in modern physics,” said John Ellis, a theoretical physicist at CERN who was not involved in the experiment. “It has worked perfectly up until now.”

He cautioned that the neutrino researchers would have to explain why similar results weren’t detected before, such as when an exploding star – or supernova – was observed in 1987.

“This would be such a sensational discovery if it were true that one has to treat it extremely carefully,” said Mr. Ellis.

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If this turns out to be correct - this is a HUGE discovery. Nothing is supposed to be able to travel faster than the speed of light.
Verrrrry interesting
(Sep 22, 2011 09:41 PM)Pescador Wrote: [ -> ]If this turns out to be correct - this is a HUGE discovery. Nothing is supposed to be able to travel faster than the speed of light.

Oh yeah ? Try going to Hooters and eating chicken wings with beer. Then later have 3 shots of Jose Cuervo.

You'll be heading to the shitter FASTER than the speed of light.
(Sep 23, 2011 02:47 PM)Pepin Gatiesa Wrote: [ -> ]
(Sep 22, 2011 09:41 PM)Pescador Wrote: [ -> ]If this turns out to be correct - this is a HUGE discovery. Nothing is supposed to be able to travel faster than the speed of light.

Oh yeah ? Try going to Hooters and eating chicken wings with beer. Then later have 3 shots of Jose Cuervo.

You'll be heading to the shitter FASTER than the speed of light.

Despite the fine scenery, I cannot stomach anything on the menu @ Hooters. Last time I felt like crap for two days.
Pepin is right about the wings - horrible! I just might break the speed of light after a dozen of those but I doubt I could actually eat them. I recall ordering wings at the Hooters in Myrtle Beach SC, I actually sent them back and got an equally horrible burger. They were advertised as "Buffalo style" wings and I told them that I've eaten wings in Buffalo and that they had no right to call them that.

I find that the quality of wings is directly proportionate to the distance from Buffalo NY.
(Sep 25, 2011 04:22 PM)Pescador Wrote: [ -> ]I find that the quality of wings is directly proportionate to the distance from Buffalo NY.

LOL, a friend and I drove all the way to Buffalo and the Anchor Bar for wings this summer. They ARE good, meaty and tasty.

There are some good places here in Toronto as well, but we wanted to try the "original" for comparison. But NEVER at Hooters...yuck!!!
Mmmmmm..... Anchor Bar.

Now you've done it. I'm having a very intense wing craving.

[Image: anchor-bar-buffalo-wings.jpg]

Yes, this is a plate of the original Anchor Bar wings.
Did ya'll know that Hooters has take out ? What's the point in that ??
(Sep 27, 2011 01:51 PM)Pepin Gatiesa Wrote: [ -> ]Did ya'll know that Hooters has take out ? What's the point in that ??

Depends on what you can take out.
Mmmmmm....... takeout
(Sep 27, 2011 01:56 PM)acanuck Wrote: [ -> ]
(Sep 27, 2011 01:51 PM)Pepin Gatiesa Wrote: [ -> ]Did ya'll know that Hooters has take out ? What's the point in that ??

Depends on what you can take out.

Show the cash and you can take out all you want, the wing, the chicken and specially the breast, lol
Hey guys, the Anchor Bar is the original wing spot and very popular with tourists but next time you're in Buffalo, try either the Pearl Street Brewery at Pearl & Church Sts. or Brennans on Transit. Both IMO (and most wing lovers over here) have even better wings that the Anchor Bar and way better surroundings.
I've been to the Pearl Street Brewery and yes! Excellent wings.
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