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That wimp Charlie Crist has to make it about him now......what a wuss.

Not once does this article condemn the cleric who stated Americans should be killed. Only the ones who want to burn this book are bashed.

The liberals have screwed this world up. I personally think it is the liberal playbook that should be burned once they are voted out of office.

AK





Safety concern for Fla. gov. over 9/11 Quran burn
By MITCH STACY, AP
1 hour ago

GAINESVILLE, Fla. — Florida's governor is concerned about safety at home and around the world, a feeling shared by national and world leaders, over a plan by the head of a small church to burn copies of Islam's holiest text to mark the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

Gov. Charlie Crist said Wednesday he would closely monitor what happens Saturday at the Dove Outreach Center in Gainesville to try to ensure people are safe. U.S. embassies around the world will be doing the same after being ordered by the State Department to assess their security. Officials fear the burning could spark anti-American violence, including against soldiers, a concern shared by the U.S. commander in Afghanistan.

"In addition to being offensive, the Gainesville protest puts at risk those brave Americans who are fighting abroad for the freedoms and values that we believe in as Americans," said Crist, who is running as an independent for the U.S. Senate.

Bahrain's Foreign Ministry called the plan a "shameful act which is incompatible with the principles of tolerance and coexistence." The statement Thursday was among the first official denunciations in the Arab world against the plan.

Despite the mounting pressure to call off the bonfire, the Rev. Terry Jones said he has received much encouragement and was going through with his plan. Supporters have sent him copies of the Quran to burn, he said.

"As of right now, we are not convinced that backing down is the right thing," said Jones, 58, who took no questions at a news conference Wednesday.

Jones was flanked by an armed escort and said he has received more than 100 death threats since announcing in July that he would stage "International Burn-a-Koran Day." The book, according to Jones, is evil because it espouses something other than biblical truth and incites radical, violent behavior among Muslims.

AP: Protesters Denounce Pastor's Plan to Burn Quran


Muslims consider the Quran the word of God and insist it be treated with the utmost respect. At least one cleric in Afghanistan said it is the duty of Muslims to react and that could mean killing Americans.

At home, the Gainesville Police Department will be dealing with some 90,000 fans and even more tailgaters expected for the Florida-South Florida football game across the city. The game is at 12:20 and the Quran burning is set for 6 p.m.

No one from the department was available to immediately comment late Wednesday on security measures at the church where at least one counter-protest was planned by a University of Florida student group.

Gen. David Petraeus, the top U.S. and NATO commander in Afghanistan, e-mailed The Associated Press to say "images of the burning of a Quran would undoubtedly be used by extremists in Afghanistan — and around the world — to inflame public opinion and incite violence." It comes as an emotional debate continues over a proposed Islamic center near the ground zero site of the 2001 terrorist attacks in New York.

Petraeus spoke Wednesday with Afghan President Karzai about the matter, according to a military spokesman Col. Erik Gunhus.

"They both agreed that burning of a Quran would undermine our effort in Afghanistan, jeopardize the safety of coalition troopers and civilians," Gunhus said, and would "create problems for our Afghan partners ... as it likely would be Afghan police and soldiers who would have to deal with any large demonstrations."

Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said that the pastor's plans were outrageous, and along with Defense Secretary Robert Gates, urged Jones to cancel the event.

"It is regrettable that a pastor in Gainesville, Florida, with a church of no more than 50 people can make this outrageous and distrustful, disgraceful plan and get the world's attention, but that's the world we live in right now," Clinton said in remarks to the Council on Foreign Relations.

Not just the Democratic administration has weighed in. Ex-Alaska governor and former Republican candidate for vice president Sarah Palin said in a Facebook post that though people have the constitutional right to burn the Quran if they choose, doing so would be an "insensitive and an unnecessary provocation — much like building a mosque at ground zero."

"I would hope that Pastor Terry Jones and his supporters will consider the ramifications of their planned book-burning event," she wrote. "It will feed the fire of caustic rhetoric and appear as nothing more than mean-spirited religious intolerance. Don't feed that fire."

Conservative radio and television host Glenn Beck wrote in an Internet blog that burning the Quran is like burning the flag or the Bible — something people can do in the United States, but shouldn't. Legal experts have said the burning would likely be protected by the First Amendment's right to free speech.

"Our good Muslim friends and neighbors will be saddened," Beck wrote. "It makes the battle that they face inside their own communities even harder."

In Afghanistan, the plan provoked outrage.

"It is the duty of Muslims to react," said Mohammad Mukhtar, a cleric and candidate for the Afghan parliament in the Sept. 18 election. "When their holy book Quran gets burned in public, then there is nothing left. If this happens, I think the first and most important reaction will be that wherever Americans are seen, they will be killed. No matter where they will be in the world they will be killed."

Jones' Dove Outreach Center is independent of any denomination. It follows the Pentecostal tradition, which teaches that the Holy Spirit can manifest itself in the modern day. Pentecostals often view themselves as engaged in spiritual warfare against satanic forces.

The Vatican also denounced the protest and a religious watchdog group, Military Religious Freedom Foundation, said it would send a copy of the Quran to the Afghan National Army for every one that might be burned.

Jones' neighbors in Gainesville, a city of 125,000 anchored by the sprawling University of Florida campus, also have said they disapprove. At least two dozen Christian churches, Jewish temples and Muslim organizations in the city have mobilized to plan inclusive events — some will read from the Quran at their own weekend services.

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(Sep 09, 2010 05:50 AM)angelking Wrote: [ -> ]That wimp Charlie Crist has to make it about him now......what a wuss.

Not once does this article condemn the cleric who stated Americans should be killed. Only the ones who want to burn this book are bashed.

The liberals have screwed this world up. I personally think it is the liberal playbook that should be burned once they are voted out of office.

AK


That would be like burning old Three Stooges episodes. American comedy should be archived, not burned. If they are out of office, we should laugh and encourage them in their slapstick playbook.
He is endangering national security even by announcing his intension. Put him in jail before he does any more harm.
It is too bad the whole of the US and allies have to be fearful of retaliation because of the action of one individual. They are certainly not afraid of us.
(Sep 09, 2010 07:17 AM)acanuck Wrote: [ -> ]He is endangering national security even by announcing his intension. Put him in jail before he does any more harm.
It is too bad the whole of the US and allies have to be fearful of retaliation because of the action of one individual. They are certainly not afraid of us.


Put him in jail? Wow, there is can of worms waiting to be opened.

He is just exposing the violent nature of islam and doing it very well. Even if he did back down, the point has been made, loud and clear and I say bravo to him for making it, and proving it.


AK
I saw the hemorrhoid being interviewed and nothing, no logic, appeal, the fact that not only American forces will be at risk but that ALL NATO forces serving in Afghanistan will, would sway him from his planned burn. Listening to him and the hatred and ignorance he spewed forth reminded me very much of our GS troll. Same opinions, different body! May God help them!
(Sep 09, 2010 09:25 AM)Lo Ves Wrote: [ -> ]I saw the hemorrhoid being interviewed and nothing, no logic, appeal, the fact that not only American forces will be at risk but that ALL NATO forces serving in Afghanistan will, would sway him from his planned burn. Listening to him and the hatred and ignorance he spewed forth reminded me very much of our GS troll. Same opinions, different body! May God help them!

LMAO....you're funny.

AK
(Sep 09, 2010 07:23 AM)angelking Wrote: [ -> ]
(Sep 09, 2010 07:17 AM)acanuck Wrote: [ -> ]He is endangering national security even by announcing his intension. Put him in jail before he does any more harm.
It is too bad the whole of the US and allies have to be fearful of retaliation because of the action of one individual. They are certainly not afraid of us.


Put him in jail? Wow, there is can of worms waiting to be opened.

He is just exposing the violent nature of islam and doing it very well. Even if he did back down, the point has been made, loud and clear and I say bravo to him for making it, and proving it.


AK

These are all things we already know. We don't need this idiot to incite it any more than it is.
I don't like it that we have to bow down to every whim of these Islamic radicals or they will kill innocent people. They are doing it anyway. They just say they will kill more of us if we do not abide by their rules. We don't have any effective way open to us to deal with this. They know it and have no respect for us.
We have to stop blaming ourselves for this situation. It is not us, it is them that have created this situation. Their inability to keep western culture out of their culture is not our fault.
(Sep 09, 2010 10:20 AM)acanuck Wrote: [ -> ]
(Sep 09, 2010 07:23 AM)angelking Wrote: [ -> ]
(Sep 09, 2010 07:17 AM)acanuck Wrote: [ -> ]He is endangering national security even by announcing his intension. Put him in jail before he does any more harm.
It is too bad the whole of the US and allies have to be fearful of retaliation because of the action of one individual. They are certainly not afraid of us.


Put him in jail? Wow, there is can of worms waiting to be opened.

He is just exposing the violent nature of islam and doing it very well. Even if he did back down, the point has been made, loud and clear and I say bravo to him for making it, and proving it.


AK

These are all things we already know. We don't need this idiot to incite it any more than it is.
I don't like it that we have to bow down to every whim of these Islamic radicals or they will kill innocent people. They are doing it anyway. They just say they will kill more of us if we do not abide by their rules. We don't have any effective way open to us to deal with this. They know it and have no respect for us.
We have to stop blaming ourselves for this situation. It is not us, it is them that have created this situation. Their inability to keep western culture out of their culture is not our fault.

Very well said.........



Quote:We don't have any effective way open to us to deal with this. They know it and have no respect for us.

Oh yeah we do.......people are just scared. Shutting down that mosque at the 9/11 site would be start.


AK
(Sep 09, 2010 10:20 AM)acanuck Wrote: [ -> ]I don't like it that we have to bow down to every whim of these Islamic radicals or they will kill innocent people. They are doing it anyway. They just say they will kill more of us if we do not abide by their rules. We don't have any effective way open to us to deal with this. They know it and have no respect for us.
We have to stop blaming ourselves for this situation. It is not us, it is them that have created this situation. Their inability to keep western culture out of their culture is not our fault.

Don't you understand that this is EXACTLY that they are saying in the radical Muslim world? Below, I've made 2 changes to what you said. This is NEVER going to end unless a) One side completely destroys the other, or b) one side begins to try and change the direction of this. Now, the other side may not want that, but trying this is preferable before moving to option a) which BOTH sides seem intent upon. It is the extremists on BOTH side that are driving the agenda. I belive that right now the extremists on both sides are in the minority, but the way things are going that won't last and at that point we are ALL fucked.


I don't like it that we have to bow down to every whim of these Americans or they will kill innocent people. They are doing it anyway. They just say they will kill more of us if we do not abide by their rules. We don't have any effective way open to us to deal with this. They know it and have no respect for us.
We have to stop blaming ourselves for this situation. It is not us, it is them that have created this situation. Their inability to keep Muslim culture out of their culture is not our fault.
It seems to me, if they are killing to keep western culture out of their culture, they should spend more time refining their culture and figure out why their culture is being invaded.....by their own people.

It also seems the only retort they have is to kill anyone who disagrees with them. Yeah, real peaceful religion that islam is.


AK
(Sep 09, 2010 10:45 AM)Pescador Wrote: [ -> ]
(Sep 09, 2010 10:20 AM)acanuck Wrote: [ -> ]I don't like it that we have to bow down to every whim of these Islamic radicals or they will kill innocent people. They are doing it anyway. They just say they will kill more of us if we do not abide by their rules. We don't have any effective way open to us to deal with this. They know it and have no respect for us.
We have to stop blaming ourselves for this situation. It is not us, it is them that have created this situation. Their inability to keep western culture out of their culture is not our fault.

Don't you understand that this is EXACTLY that they are saying in the radical Muslim world? Below, I've made 2 changes to what you said. This is NEVER going to end unless a) One side completely destroys the other, or b) one side begins to try and change the direction of this. Now, the other side may not want that, but trying this is preferable before moving to option a) which BOTH sides seem intent upon. It is the extremists on BOTH side that are driving the agenda. I belive that right now the extremists on both sides are in the minority, but the way things are going that won't last and at that point we are ALL fucked.


I don't like it that we have to bow down to every whim of these Americans or they will kill innocent people. They are doing it anyway. They just say they will kill more of us if we do not abide by their rules. We don't have any effective way open to us to deal with this. They know it and have no respect for us.
We have to stop blaming ourselves for this situation. It is not us, it is them that have created this situation. Their inability to keep Muslim culture out of their culture is not our fault.

You are living in a dream world if you think that. You are letting your politics get in the way of common sense. I remember well when I used to be like that.
So you are in favour of option a)
Do you favour a quick nuclear war or a conventional one?

Perhaps you have another solution?
(Sep 09, 2010 11:44 AM)Pescador Wrote: [ -> ]So you are in favour of option a)
Do you favour a quick nuclear war or a conventional one?

Perhaps you have another solution?

I already posted an answer to that one.

Quote:We don't have any effective way open to us to deal with this. They know it and have no respect for us.
(Sep 09, 2010 11:23 AM)acanuck Wrote: [ -> ]You are living in a dream world if you think that. You are letting your politics get in the way of common sense. I remember well when I used to be like that.

I would turn that around and back at ya as well. I believe it you who is denying reality. The far right has no intention of ever tying to understand main stream Muslims or any other culture. To you they are all terrorists, subhumans, unworthy of a second thought. Absolutley zero comprehension that perhaps US foriegn policy might have something to do with inciting Muslim extremism. Never once wondering why the rest of the world believes that the US has lost the moral high ground they used to occupy on the world stage. Things are not as simplistic as you would like to think.
(Sep 09, 2010 02:27 PM)Pescador Wrote: [ -> ]I would turn that around and back at ya as well. I believe it you who is denying reality. The far right has no intention of ever tying to understand main stream Muslims or any other culture. To you they are all terrorists, subhumans, unworthy of a second thought. Absolutley zero comprehension that perhaps US foriegn policy might have something to do with inciting Muslim extremism. Never once wondering why the rest of the world believes that the US has lost the moral high ground they used to occupy on the world stage. Things are not as simplistic as you would like to think.

Just when I think you might be getting it, a little bit, you come along with a post like that.

No one thinks they are subhuman. All Muslims have to do to change the perception people have of them is stop killing innocent people. Stop blowing themselves up in market places. Stop threatening to kill anyone who displeases them.

They are they're own worst enemy.

AK
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